Carolyn Rios
Congrats to the hedge trimmer . There should always be enough for a mother to walk holding her toddlers hand.
One of these midnights I’ m going to walk Venice with my clippers
Douglas Fay
Big Words–Mass, Scale and Character – We recently visited a friend of ours at The Shores that had lived in the soon-to-be demolished Bar Harbor apartments. The Shores is the second development at this location for the developer so one would assume it would be better than before. I didn’t like the design, feel, and ambiance of this development. The swimming pool is too small, the BBQ table areas don’t have sinks, and there is very little vegetation. A development of this mass, scale and character should have the feel of a 5 star resort. It is a perfect example of what not to do ever again in Marina Del Rey and one of the reasons why I’ve requested a Marina Del Rey Advisory Committee be formed that allows for more open discussion with the public, follows County policies, and not just the will of the Supervisors.
Jim Murez, member of Land Use and Planning
Ref: SOV Comments–Update Published Misleading Information
The House of Pie comments – the “path of travel” issue in my opinion should not be considered at the State CCC level of government but rather taken up in Washington with the Fed’s. ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) or handicap access is a federal requirement. That a person in a wheelchair should have access to a restaurant like any other non-handicapped person is the root of the issue. Address the root problem and the rest of the tree of discussion will follow.
Forgetting the conversation for a moment if the CCC calculated parking correctly or not (as defined in the Venice Specific Plan and the Land Use Plan), the underlying consideration that must be answered is what is the definition of “Service Floor Area”. In all my years of working with these plans and going to CCC hearings, the term has always been defined as the area in which customers are waiting for access to the dining or bar area or are actually located in the bar or dining area. The portion of the term “Service” to me means the customer is receiving benefit (drinks or food) from the establishment.
Restrooms, the kitchen, behind the bar, back room where food preparation occurs, clean up area also sometimes called the wet room and employee changing rooms are all excluded from the Service Floor Area because the customer does NOT receive any services within these areas. The waiters stand and host/hostess area are also excluded as Service Floor Area by definition.
Well guess what, the handicap path of travel is not a service area. By law these area must not be occupied by anything that might interfere with a disabled persons rights to have access to the use of the project. This interprets as a path from the front door to the seating area and continues to the restrooms. And in the case where the code requires two exit paths for Fire, Life and Safety code, that path for handicap access must continue as well.
It is wrong at a lot of levels to require the applicant for the House of Pies to park the Path of Travel. This is why the LUPC, VNC Board and the City Planning Department all did not require parking for the area in question.
It is a good project in my opinion!
In another email Jim Murez stated
The LAMC (Los Angeles Municipal Code) must carve out the ADA requirements.
The VSP (Venice Specific Plan) parking requirements were based on Venice ICO (Interim Control Ordinance) which was published in 1988. The ICO was based on CCC 1976 standards. The ADA requirements came after any of these documents were already adopted and therefore the older documents do NOT reflect any wording for handicap requirements.
The parking tables in the VSP and the LUP (Land Use Plan) both do not have any allowances for ADA parking. LAMC was revised to say the first of 32 spaces in commercial projects must be HC which adds a burden to Venice but must be followed because it is federal law. But in a small project where all the parking is enclosed under a building from the alley and only two or three spaces must be provided, having one of them be HC is doing no one any good. The HC van can’t access the space in most cases so the space becomes storage or the garage door is always closed.
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Comments–11 June 2014
Carolyn Rios
Congrats to the hedge trimmer . There should always be enough for a mother to walk holding her toddlers hand.
One of these midnights I’ m going to walk Venice with my clippers
Douglas Fay
Big Words–Mass, Scale and Character – We recently visited a friend of ours at The Shores that had lived in the soon-to-be demolished Bar Harbor apartments. The Shores is the second development at this location for the developer so one would assume it would be better than before. I didn’t like the design, feel, and ambiance of this development. The swimming pool is too small, the BBQ table areas don’t have sinks, and there is very little vegetation. A development of this mass, scale and character should have the feel of a 5 star resort. It is a perfect example of what not to do ever again in Marina Del Rey and one of the reasons why I’ve requested a Marina Del Rey Advisory Committee be formed that allows for more open discussion with the public, follows County policies, and not just the will of the Supervisors.
Jim Murez, member of Land Use and Planning
Ref: SOV Comments–Update Published Misleading Information
The House of Pie comments – the “path of travel” issue in my opinion should not be considered at the State CCC level of government but rather taken up in Washington with the Fed’s. ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) or handicap access is a federal requirement. That a person in a wheelchair should have access to a restaurant like any other non-handicapped person is the root of the issue. Address the root problem and the rest of the tree of discussion will follow.
Forgetting the conversation for a moment if the CCC calculated parking correctly or not (as defined in the Venice Specific Plan and the Land Use Plan), the underlying consideration that must be answered is what is the definition of “Service Floor Area”. In all my years of working with these plans and going to CCC hearings, the term has always been defined as the area in which customers are waiting for access to the dining or bar area or are actually located in the bar or dining area. The portion of the term “Service” to me means the customer is receiving benefit (drinks or food) from the establishment.
Restrooms, the kitchen, behind the bar, back room where food preparation occurs, clean up area also sometimes called the wet room and employee changing rooms are all excluded from the Service Floor Area because the customer does NOT receive any services within these areas. The waiters stand and host/hostess area are also excluded as Service Floor Area by definition.
Well guess what, the handicap path of travel is not a service area. By law these area must not be occupied by anything that might interfere with a disabled persons rights to have access to the use of the project. This interprets as a path from the front door to the seating area and continues to the restrooms. And in the case where the code requires two exit paths for Fire, Life and Safety code, that path for handicap access must continue as well.
It is wrong at a lot of levels to require the applicant for the House of Pies to park the Path of Travel. This is why the LUPC, VNC Board and the City Planning Department all did not require parking for the area in question.
It is a good project in my opinion!
In another email Jim Murez stated
The LAMC (Los Angeles Municipal Code) must carve out the ADA requirements.
The VSP (Venice Specific Plan) parking requirements were based on Venice ICO (Interim Control Ordinance) which was published in 1988. The ICO was based on CCC 1976 standards. The ADA requirements came after any of these documents were already adopted and therefore the older documents do NOT reflect any wording for handicap requirements.
The parking tables in the VSP and the LUP (Land Use Plan) both do not have any allowances for ADA parking. LAMC was revised to say the first of 32 spaces in commercial projects must be HC which adds a burden to Venice but must be followed because it is federal law. But in a small project where all the parking is enclosed under a building from the alley and only two or three spaces must be provided, having one of them be HC is doing no one any good. The HC van can’t access the space in most cases so the space becomes storage or the garage door is always closed.
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